redneck bully: larryhar...@softhome.net "This topic has been hidden because it was flagged for abuse." reads the New Google Groups

Discussion:

(too old to reply)

Archimedes Plutonium

2012-07-24 11:55:27 UTC

Permalink

On Jul 24, 6:20 am, Archimedes Plutonium

Over in sci.physics.electromag is a redneck suppressionist under the
Path: l9ni11715pbj.0!nntp.google.com!news1.google.com!
postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: sci.physics.electromag
Subject: Flagging posts fairly in sci.physic.electromag
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:29:00 -0700 (PDT)
Organization:http://groups.google.com
Lines: 11
NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.24.86.223
Who has the desire to censor out of Google Groups every post of
Archimedes Plutonium.
So is this the new landscape of Google newsgroups, that one redneck
can put all the posts of another person under this "hidden banner"
Newsgroups: sci.physics, sci.physics.electromag, sci.math, sci.chem
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 23 2012 2:03 am
Subject: He2 and Ne2 Chapt13.40087 deriving the Periodic Table
Elements from Maxwell Equations #748 New Physics #868 ATOM TOTALITY
5th ed
And today all I see is "This topic has been hidden because it was
flagged for abuse."
Is this what Google wanted to create-- redneck bullies pulling the
posts of others?
AP

Can a private company such as Google set up the Usenet newsgroups
in such a way that one redneck bully poster can hide the posts of
another.

Seems to me that Usenet is free speech with a Usenet cop of news
admin.

And this New Google Newsgroups is a denial of free speech when your
posts end up as "This topic has been hidden because it was flagged for
abuse."

AP

Archimedes Plutonium

2012-07-24 12:46:55 UTC

Permalink

On Jul 24, 6:20 am, Archimedes Plutonium

Alright, the above post appears in Old Google Newsgroups but in none
of the New
Google Newsgroups. The above appears in sci.math, in Math Forum, and
all the newsgroups of old Google.

So what is the deal here for the New Google Newsgroups? Is everyone a
tin badge sheriff in the New Google, which can either hide a post of
someone you
hate, and can prevent posts from reaching the newsreader?

Somehow, if everyone can act like a self appointed sheriff of a
newsgroup, that Google should not be allowed to take the "underlying
Usenet" and create a environment where one poster censors other
posters. It is a denial of free speech.

I went to look if sci.physics.electromag had become a "moderated
newsgroup" for if it had become such, then I could see where a bully
like larryHar.. could mask and hide the posts of others if he were a
moderator. But he is not, and for him to run around in judgement of
others posts, hiding their posts or not allowing them to appear,
smacks me as breaking the Freedom of Speech laws.

Google should be prevented from their New Google Newsgroups if they
turn Usenet into a bully censoring arena.

I am reminded of a law about Art. Where an artist who painted a
picture and where scoundrels run around acquiring the original and add
something to the picture and then sign it as their own or use the
picture in a mocking manner from the original intent of the author. It
is a law of respect of an original artists work. So that if New Google
Newsgroups has these bully posters running around messing up the posts
of others with "This topic has been hidden because it was flagged for
abuse." Is the same thing as bullies running around acquiring the art
of artists and altering the painting.

So I say, if Google cannot preserve the freedom of speech that is
Usenet and Old Google Newsgroups, that Google should not be allowed to
use any Usenet posts. That Google should build a newsgroups from bare
scratch and not use the names sci.physics or sci.math or
sci.physics.electromag but build their own newsgroups from complete
scratch.

Because if you have a underlying Usenet, and thousands of bullies
attacking posters left and right by hiding their posts or blocking
their posts, then that is a
messing up of an original artists work.

Actually, I think Google made a mistake in wanting and trying to
change their Old Google Newsgroups and that they should just admit it
was a bad idea and revert back to the Old Google Newsgroups. Just
admit that it was a mistake to change something that worked, into some
new arena that is a haven for bullies.

AP

Jos Bergervoet

2012-07-24 14:53:49 UTC

Permalink

On 7/24/2012 2:46 PM, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
...

Post by Archimedes Plutonium
Alright, the above post appears in Old Google Newsgroups but in none
of the New
Google Newsgroups. The above appears in sci.math, in Math Forum, and
all the newsgroups of old Google.
So what is the deal here for the New Google Newsgroups? Is everyone a
tin badge sheriff in the New Google, which can either hide a post of
someone you
hate, and can prevent posts from reaching the newsreader?

The precise rules can probably be found somewhere
on the Google site. But the main objective of
Google is most likely to maximize their commercial
success (number of ads that is clicked on).

Posts that are too controversial could perhaps
distract the readers from the advertisements?

..

Post by Archimedes Plutonium
Actually, I think Google made a mistake in wanting and trying to
change their Old Google Newsgroups and that they should just admit it
was a bad idea and revert back to the Old Google Newsgroups.

Hmm.. they still say that the old groups will soon
be phased out...

Post by Archimedes Plutonium
Just admit that it was a
mistake to change something that worked, into some
new arena that is a haven for bullies.

Well, your one-man threads here are clearly off-topic
in sci.physics.electromag so flagging them as spam
is by itself correct. You should post here:
alt.sci.physics.plutonium
Then all your followers can find you at once!

A bigger problem seems to be that the new Google
groups system generates a lot of non-ASCII characters
which makes the posts almost unreadable on normal
newsreaders.

--
Jos

David Ritz

2012-07-30 04:16:36 UTC

Permalink

On Tuesday, 24 July 2012 04:55 -0700, in article

Can a private company such as Google set up the Usenet newsgroups in
such a way that one redneck bully poster can hide the posts of
another.

1) Google Groups isn't Usenet.

2) Google Groups exists on Google's servers, which they may
use, as they see fit.

Seems to me that Usenet is free speech with a Usenet cop of news
admin.

You persist in your delusion that Usenet is somehow controlled by
a nonexistent entity. You really have to stop listening to the
voices in your head. They cannot be trusted.

And this New Google Newsgroups is a denial of free speech when your
posts end up as "This topic has been hidden because it was flagged
for abuse."

Archie Pu, you've had 'problems' with Google Groups for years, yet
you persist in using this completely lame interface, for access to
Usenet. For years, it's been suggested that virtually all of your
_Usenet_related_ problems can be solved, by using a NNTP servers
for such access.

Give it a try. You might like it.

Your continued use of Gargle Gropes, is sure to lead to your
continued unhappiness with Gargle Gropes. Knowing this is
_your_choice_, please cease your incessant whining.

- --
David Ritz <***@mindspring.com>
"A hallucination is a fact, not an error; what is erroneous is a
judgment based upon it." - Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)